Turkish elections are coming up

[Kulka]

KurdishAryanSoccer,

Your an angry guy aren't ya? :0

YES i am and ,..

i hate such traitors who selling honor, flag for noodles

i am also angry, i think we all are angry of what they are doing to us

[kurdimemin_diako]

no one is more angry and hate jash more than me .

[Kurdistano]

i dont liek israel he shoudl go away thats all! why ? read here : viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6390

israil is devil they are like snake ! they selling weapons ,, selling IAI Heron (The IAI Heron (Machatz-1) is an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) developed by the Malat (UAV) division of Israel Aerospace Industries.) to turkey .. they worked in 1999 together with turkey
to catch pkk leader mr. A.Ocalan,So at conspiracy..
and now they selling still weapons to turkgay terorist state..and now they go ( like a dog ) to pkk´s area and want a job against turkey ?
i know everyone need a "friend" at war but i swear i would never accePt these israili evils ..teroristst..!


More about heron :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Heron

see right Primary users .with this heron turkis terorist state killed 10s of kurdish pkk freedom fighters!

calm down dude. Just look at your Name ARYANsoccer. Are you Pan iranist ?

thearabchildrent talks about elections in Kurdistan.

You call him "spion of America"

thearabchildren tries to explain you that this is a misunderstanding

You give us a link to Jews and Heron what has Zero to do with thearabChildrens Post and less than Zero with this Topic.


Between everyone knows the Role of Israel in catching Apo. But what do you expect? if APO played anti Israel Pro Arab at that time. Good to say that at least the new Leader Karayilan knows what he is doing.

[talsor]

Frankly i failed to understand the kurdish participation in the turkish election .I mean why are we voting in the first place and what are we voting for ? . Running after anyone who would through a bone for us is demeaning and indignifying to our struggle for recognition . The kurdish participation in the past elections did not bring about any meaningful results thus boycotting and even disrupting it is logical option and it might more changes that actually participating in it .

The fear of turkish nationalist parties coming to power which AKP is using is none sense and frankly the Kudish question would never be addressed properly unless there a real confrotation with turkish nationalist .Beside what else can we lose ? Turkish prisons are filled with Kurdish youth , poverty is like the cholera in Northren kurdistan , the only jobs available is SIMIT selling in the street



bottom line ,Participating in the election of turkish institutions that oppresses our nation is idiotic .There is nothing to be gained here and kurds should use the day for BBQ or playing domino or drinking tea which I think will be more effective for our cause , because participting in the election only highlights the successul occupation of Kurdistan by turks .

[alan131210]

yeah but like mentioned kurds in north kurdistan have been suppressed without a beat for a very long time they are even almost forgetting they are kurds and dont have any hope voting for kurdish parties , which should have promoted itself more severely , in my believes KRG is helping BDP but more needs to be done . turkmens in kerkuk are trying to form there own security or militia maybe KRG should try doing the same for BDP to "protect" kurds as they also say to "protect turkmens" .

[thearabchildren]

Talsor brings up a good point: Why do any of us vote at all? Turks, when they hear me talk about politics, often ask me: Well who should we vote for?

My response is the same as it is to Kurds, Arabs and Americans: Don't vote. You're only encouraging them. Vote by educating and organising the people.

The only reason to pay attention to elections is as a measurement of the general political mood (created through corporate and fascist manipulation in the media, of course).

[New Corduene]

I couldn't disagree more! While you may not get much by voting, you will not get anything by not voting. That is for sure, and gaining something is definitely better than gaining nothing!

A complete boycott from the elections would be a total political suicide. Kurds will have no say whatsoever in anything, it will be much like what the Sunni Arabs did in the Iraqi 2005 elections when they boycotted the elections, they shot themselves in the feet, they were completely excluded from participation in any governmental position, even the smallest ones, they became an unaccounted part of society and were erased from everything. In 2009, they corrected that mistake and took part in the elections and ultimately won the majority of seats in the parliament with 91 seats!

Kurds have some very good candidates, from Zana to Dicle and many more. With a good campaign (Which has been so far) they can garner many seats and prove their power in their region (North Kurdistan) which will make them appear as a very strong party in both the country's parliament and also the society as a whole.

Kurdish parties must proceed with their extremely courageous methods and any Kurdish citizen/others, who have a bit of 'Kurdishness' left in them, must vote for the BDP and Co.

[thearabchildren]

A complete boycott from the elections would be a total political suicide. Kurds will have no say whatsoever in anything,

Well I certainly don't think ONLY Kurds should boycott elections. But I also would like to point out that at present Kurds have no say whatsoever in anything in Turkish politics.

With a good campaign (Which has been so far) they can garner many seats and prove their power in their region (North Kurdistan) which will make them appear as a very strong party in both the country's parliament and also the society as a whole.

Except the Turkish media will brand them all (the candidates and their supporters) "supporters of terrorism" and subsequently say that these are all "extremists", and that the AKP and CHP can fix all Kurdish problems alone.

[talsor]

I couldn't disagree more! While you may not get much by voting, you will not get anything by not voting. That is for sure, and gaining something is definitely better than gaining nothing!

A complete boycott from the elections would be a total political suicide. Kurds will have no say whatsoever in anything, it will be much like what the Sunni Arabs did in the Iraqi 2005 elections when they boycotted the elections, they shot themselves in the feet, they were completely excluded from participation in any governmental position, even the smallest ones, they became an unaccounted part of society and were erased from everything. In 2009, they corrected that mistake and took part in the elections and ultimately won the majority of seats in the parliament with 91 seats!

Kurds have some very good candidates, from Zana to Dicle and many more. With a good campaign (Which has been so far) they can garner many seats and prove their power in their region (North Kurdistan) which will make them appear as a very strong party in both the country's parliament and also the society as a whole.

Kurdish parties must proceed with their extremely courageous methods and any Kurdish citizen/others, who have a bit of 'Kurdishness' left in them, must vote for the BDP and Co.

Perhaps you can tell us what we have gained by voting beside some penut rights . Having Kurdish MPs in turkish parliament does nothing for us and they are detained and imprisoned on regular basis for whatever reason the turks see it fit . The kurdish political parties are banned and accused with links to terrorism the moment the gain any popularity and there is nothing that we can do about it .

comparing the kurdish struggle with the sunni Issue in iraq is laughable and I mean no disrespect .HOw many sunnis political parties have been banned so far ? how manysunni politician have been arrested so far ?.Sunnis hold major power in Iraq , they are partners and hold the veto right to any deciesion that baghdad makes , do we have such power in turkey ?

I'm not here to critisize Kurdish political parties in Northren Kurdistan , I'm very proud of them and support them 100% , but there is time for action and time for no action . Considering the pace and the direction the so called "reforms" is taking and continued imprisonment of our youth along with lack of economic incentives , I believe we should all boycott the election .

I mean what is the point of having a Kurdish mayor in Diyarbekir if the prisons are filled with kurds who simply expressed their kurdishness ? what is the point of having a Kurdish MPS in the turkish parliament if they do not hold any real power and constently being accused of links to terrorism .?. Kurdish politicians in the north need to seperate themselves from the turkish political arena and anything associated with that , because they are indirectly becoming a tool in the hand of state .

[thearabchildren]

I don't agree with Talsor on everything, but I respect him in general and I agree with him on this: The BDP, as much as I agree with almost all their positions, is not actually able to give the Kurds anything because the political culture in Turkey is still too monolithic and anti-Kurdish. I don't want anyone to have to die for Kurds to get their rights, but the Kemalists keep making their position tragically clear: Voting for a Kurdish party or protesting for Kurdish rights will get you ignored at best and labelled a "supporter of terrorism" at worst (which has actual consequences, as Talsor mentioned). Precious few Turks make Kurdish rights part of their political programme (or even part of their private political discussions!), so who can blame poor Kurdish kids when they think that violence can provide them with a way out?

[New Corduene]

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Thanks for your clarifications.

I really don't even consider this a subject of debate because I don't know what there is to debate about!
The main point is that Kurds must have a political representative in the country and also one to be able to represent the people in the international community.

Such political party must have some members in the local government/parliament to demand the required rights for its people. As I have clarified before, nowadays PKK is more of a symbolic party, and since it's been branded as a "terrorist" organization, it virtually cannot do anything positive in the political sphere. That is when the political parties come in and can carry the job. A fine example is BDP and how they have been able to magnify the Kurdish issue both locally and in the international community with their 'Civil Disobedience Campaign', how effective they are in mobilizing the public onto the streets to carry the struggle and how they have been able to get ever closest to achieving some sort of Autonomy.

Turkish PM promises investment in troubled southeast amid rising Kurdish calls for autonomy
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5j6VIgNW1KOLKf_2mIjwqoRYzY4hg?docId=6937130

Kurds mount calls for autonomy in Turkey
http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1606756 <<<--- YES! News about Kurds in Taiwan!

I simply don't see anything positive with your demand of "Total Boycott"! At least the Kurdish parties can ask for their rightful demands in the parliament. Even if their demands are not met, they show that there are some problems that need to be solved, denouncing claims of Turks such as Erdogan who say "There is no Kurdish problem". Not to mention how they can reach the broader world in putting pressure on the local Turkish government to grant those rights and fulfill these demands.

[thearabchildren]

<<<--- YES! News about Kurds in Taiwan!

In English. And probably because of the Iraqi Kurds in Taipei (all the ones I met were quite nice, any political disagreements aside). The Taiwanese will continue to believe they are the centre of the universe and the rest of the world is divided into 外國（外國人都是美國人），臺灣，和中國（“臺灣不是中國！我們是臺灣人！臺灣不是中國。”臺灣不是中華人民共和國可是臺灣還是中華民囯。）

Taiwanese people... What more is there to say?

[thearabchildren]

我不要說臺灣人都是白痴，當然。可是我們（外國人）不知道他們的國，他們也不知道別的國。在臺灣的電視他們就看美國的新聞在普通話，也看關於中國的新聞。他們的新聞不是國際例子因爲國際社團不知道臺灣在哪兒！臺灣的新聞比Uruguay的新聞重要嗎？

[thearabchildren]

Moreover, I repeat: The Turkish public will continue to view the BDP with suspicion. What can the international community's knowledge (or lack thereof) of Kurdish rights in Turkey (or the lack thereof) really do for those Kurds? The problem is that Turkish society views the Kurds and their rights with a chauvinistic sense of ambivalence at best. I'm not sure how to solve this problem and have to a certain extent given up, but I'd like to hear an example where international pressure has helped Turkey improve? The main international pressures on Turkey are the European Union (which the Turkish public is losing interest in and whose standards of human rights aren't that much better than Turkey's, not to defend the Turkish government of course) and the United States (which has long sponsored the worst oppression by the Turkish government).