The Turkish news

[Kulka]

i dont think he create this picture and put this name. maybe he didnt pay attention to that. but of course a lot of Kurds for the question - where are you from? answer - from Iraq. although they are in fact from Kurdistan - but i dont blame them that much - even if i always correct the answer, coz they were under saddam and ba'athi pressure for many years, so they are effected till now. but i completly dont understan why you are effected? did you live under any of these bastards opression? did they put in your mind since you was born that Kurdistan doesnt exist? i dont think so. and its really no need to be malioucious.
but you know what? at the end 0f the day - i realize that is no point to try to explain anything to you, for you there is no kurdistan - there is iraqi kurdistan, turkish kurdistan etc. i can only advice you - give up with the word Kurdistan - just write turkya, iraq, iran... more easy and less klicking on the keyboard. and as for me - we can even be zombies in your eyes, doesnt matter and doesnt change the facts.

[thearabchildren]

That is not at all my opinion, but your paranoia convinces you it is. I spend a huge amount of my time here in Turkey trying to make Turks understand that there IS a Kurdistan, presently divided between Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey (and many would argue Armenia). I certainly will never say that Diyarbakır is "just Turkey". It is Turkish Kurdistan, and I hope one day that it is not Turkish Kurdistan, whether it becomes part of a multi-ethnic federation or a free Kurdish state, the Kurdish people deserve better than having to say they are "part of" "Turkey" (a name which, as you rightly pointed out, implies Turkish ownership even though Turks are not the only people on the land in question and are a MINORITY in Kurdistan). It is true that many Kurds grew up under Ba'athist and Kemalist oppression and are convinced of things that are not true, but legally speaking Amed is still a part of Turkey, not from Turkey's perspective, not from the Kurds perspective, not from my perspective, but from the United Nations' perspective. One day that will change, but not because you've pretended that I think you "belong" to the Arabs or because you pretend I deny the Kurdish nation. Every day in Turkey I am labelled an extremist by someone (including quite often Kurds who have been brainwashed by Kemalism) because I call the Kurds a nation, because I remind people they have a flag, because I point out that the filthy Kemalist schools refuse to teach them their own language and history, because I remind them that there is Kurdistan, because I say that the PKK is not a "terrorist" group (and that the Turkish army can also be called a "terrorist" group), because I say Abdullah Öcalan is only doing what Atatürk did, and so on and so on and so on. All this will never be enough for you, apparently, because you apparently believe anyone who rightly states that Kurdistan is presently not an independent sovereign state must do so because they believe it is right for Kurds to be ruled by non-Kurds and never the other way around. You have convinced yourself that enemies exist where they do not, which is harmful because you do have real enemies and you must distinguish between the real enemy and people who just have different opinions or phrase things differently. I am only here because the sort of people you believe I am have made me so sick, so unable to breathe in this country, that I need to be around people who are unafraid to call the Kurdish nation by its own name. I am not threatened, as you seem to believe, that there is a Kurdish unity, so your crusade against me is the waste of typing, not my typing "Kurdistan", a name I am proud to type in a country where people are punished for acknowledging it, and I look forward to the day when typing "Iraqi Kurdistan", "Iranian Kurdistan", "Syrian Kurdistan" or "Turkish Kurdistan" will seem to everyone as outdated and racist as you think it is now. Until that day, unfortunately, Kurdistan is divided. But the borders will be redrawn again so that the Kurdish people might be free. I only wish that you would focus your energy on the people intent on keeping a border between you and the other Kurds, not against me, who merely observes that there is a border between you and your Kurdish brothers and sisters.

[Kulka]

as i said in other topic - i am not interested to read your newspaper. do you know any other word, or only "paranoia"? its your favourite? typical turkish behaviour. you must have good teachers if for you someone who is defending the country which loves is nothing more than 'paranoic'. but of course you are "pro-kurdish" and you "support" Kurdistan. But which Kurdistan - iraqi, turkish, pershians?

[thearabchildren]

I have to say this short or you won't read it:

You are not paranoid because you love Kurdistan. You are paranoid because you think people who notice that it isn't free yet are its enemies.

I am pro-Kurdish. I support the Kurds. There is only one Kurdistan, it is divided between Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria. One day this will change, and I support it.

[Barış]

What are the Kurdish names of various cities in Turkish Kurdistan? I know only Qers and Amed really.

Also speaking of "the Turkish news", here's someone else who would never be allowed to speak in the mainstream Turkish media, unless he censored everything he said:

http://books.google.com.tr/books?id=qwB ... 22&f=false

I'll list the cities/ provinces I know of in NORTHERN Kurdistan:
Erzincan - Ezirgan
Elâzığ - Elazîz
Malatya - Meledî
Adıyaman - Adiyeman
Diyarbakır - Amed (Ya already know about this one)
ŞanlıUrfa - Riha
Bingöl - Bîngol
Erzurum - Erzîrom
Muş - Mûş
Van - Wan
Bitlis - Bidlîs
Siirt - Sêrt
Mardin - Mêrdîn (Ya know that already)
Kars - Qers (That ya also know)
Ağrı - Agirî
Hakkâri - Hekarî

I think I forgot some.

Anyway, I think they would do more than censoring...

[Kulka]

kaka Baris Gyan - one thing if you dont mind, maybe i am mistaken, but Hakkari isin fact Colemerg - but make sure asking our kurmandji brothers/sisters. and also if bakuri Kurdistan people can check the following if correct:

Elih - Batman
Dersim - Tunceli
Heskif - Hasankeyf
Sirnex - Sirnak (the letter S is Sh, but i dont have the keybord character for that).

i will appreciate more names, coz for me personally - its important. thank you, azizanm

[thearabchildren]

Dêrsim is a name even Turks are forced to know, thanks to Atatürk's massacre there.

"Urfa" is a Greek name, and I've seen it on some maps of Kurdistan (in Sorani Kurdish) as "Urfa", but I've heard "Riha" too. What about "Adana"? I've also seen "Konya" (also of Greek origin, if I'm not mistaken) as "Qonye".

[Barış]

kaka Baris Gyan - one thing if you dont mind, maybe i am mistaken, but Hakkari isin fact Colemerg - but make sure asking our kurmandji brothers/sisters. and also if bakuri Kurdistan people can check the following if correct:

Elih - Batman
Dersim - Tunceli
Heskif - Hasankeyf
Sirnex - Sirnak (the letter S is Sh, but i dont have the keybord character for that).

i will appreciate more names, coz for me personally - its important. thank you, azizanm

Kulka xan,
Yea, Hakkâri is also known as Colemêrg. Also Batman - Êlih, Tunceli - Dêrsim, Hasankeyf - Heskîf, and Şırnak - Şirnex.

[Barış]

Dêrsim is a name even Turks are forced to know, thanks to Atatürk's massacre there.

"Urfa" is a Greek name, and I've seen it on some maps of Kurdistan (in Sorani Kurdish) as "Urfa", but I've heard "Riha" too. What about "Adana"? I've also seen "Konya" (also of Greek origin, if I'm not mistaken) as "Qonye".

I think Urfa is known as Edessa/Édhessa in Greek. Also I think Adana/Adhana is Greek. I know Qonye is Kurdî for Konya, and I read it's Ikónion in Greek. I'll ask my friend Sakis from Thessaloniki, Greece that's now based in The Big Apple (NY, NY) ,atm...

[Barış]

Well, heard back from Sakis:
... ''That is correct. You want to know more the turkey has occupied of Greek Hellenic land? Watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmpGTAw25jg&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

''

[New Corduene]

That is not at all my opinion, but your paranoia convinces you it is. I spend a huge amount of my time here in Turkey trying to make Turks understand that there IS a Kurdistan, presently divided between Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey (and many would argue Armenia). I certainly will never say that Diyarbakır is "just Turkey". It is Turkish Kurdistan, and I hope one day that it is not Turkish Kurdistan, whether it becomes part of a multi-ethnic federation or a free Kurdish state, the Kurdish people deserve better than having to say they are "part of" "Turkey" (a name which, as you rightly pointed out, implies Turkish ownership even though Turks are not the only people on the land in question and are a MINORITY in Kurdistan). It is true that many Kurds grew up under Ba'athist and Kemalist oppression and are convinced of things that are not true, but legally speaking Amed is still a part of Turkey, not from Turkey's perspective, not from the Kurds perspective, not from my perspective, but from the United Nations' perspective. One day that will change, but not because you've pretended that I think you "belong" to the Arabs or because you pretend I deny the Kurdish nation. Every day in Turkey I am labelled an extremist by someone (including quite often Kurds who have been brainwashed by Kemalism) because I call the Kurds a nation, because I remind people they have a flag, because I point out that the filthy Kemalist schools refuse to teach them their own language and history, because I remind them that there is Kurdistan, because I say that the PKK is not a "terrorist" group (and that the Turkish army can also be called a "terrorist" group), because I say Abdullah Öcalan is only doing what Atatürk did, and so on and so on and so on. All this will never be enough for you, apparently, because you apparently believe anyone who rightly states that Kurdistan is presently not an independent sovereign state must do so because they believe it is right for Kurds to be ruled by non-Kurds and never the other way around. You have convinced yourself that enemies exist where they do not, which is harmful because you do have real enemies and you must distinguish between the real enemy and people who just have different opinions or phrase things differently. I am only here because the sort of people you believe I am have made me so sick, so unable to breathe in this country, that I need to be around people who are unafraid to call the Kurdish nation by its own name. I am not threatened, as you seem to believe, that there is a Kurdish unity, so your crusade against me is the waste of typing, not my typing "Kurdistan", a name I am proud to type in a country where people are punished for acknowledging it, and I look forward to the day when typing "Iraqi Kurdistan", "Iranian Kurdistan", "Syrian Kurdistan" or "Turkish Kurdistan" will seem to everyone as outdated and racist as you think it is now. Until that day, unfortunately, Kurdistan is divided. But the borders will be redrawn again so that the Kurdish people might be free. I only wish that you would focus your energy on the people intent on keeping a border between you and the other Kurds, not against me, who merely observes that there is a border between you and your Kurdish brothers and sisters.

That is actually pretty well-written and completely correct. There seems to be some sort of misunderstanding between the Jew and Kulka! You both say and believe in the same thing yet only because you guys express them differently, you have gotten into this amateurish war of words.

By the way, Arab Children, I am very interested in your views. So you live in Turkey but you are a Jew. Are you a Turkish Jew or Israeli or American for that matter? If you don't mind me asking of course...

[alan131210]

thearabchildren i want an apology from you for calling me a traitor.

i am not a traitor i am more Kurd than any of you think , i speak write and read Kurdish (both Latin and Arabic alphabet) i have fought for my land and argued with many Arabs turks and lost my job cos i didn't agree with how Assyrians hated Kurds so much. i only put up the map of south/small Kurdistan , as its the only part of Kurdistan to be come a state any time soon , great Kurdistan is however bit far away for now , until that comes about i will change the avatar to great Kurdistan , everything big starts from something small , so i only fight and focus for south Kurdistan to be a state at the moment then we will come after the other parts one by one, you maybe wake up to yourself in time but this is the only way to go about it and it seems to be working. we have to fool these stooges that Kurds are only interested in south Kurdistan and nothing else and once they are convinced and Kurdistan is declared without war . this doesn't mean i will silent myself over other parts of Kurdistan i have stood up for them if anyone interested go to http://www.politicalforum.com/middle-east/ and see it for yourself. but i am playing it smart . and i told my Kurdish brother members on that forum that i was only doing this to fool the turks and Arabs and they agreed , one of Them is new-cordune.

in my house i have the big map of great Kurdistan and Kurdish flag ,but on the net i am trying to convince turks Syrians and Persians its only small south Kurdistan for Kurds then we will go after other parts as an independent country not a government entity.

[Kulka]

kaka gyan - when this guy wrote that - he meant that on your avatar is said - "Iraqi Kurdistan" - before i was fighting with him to call that part of Kurdistan - South Kurdistan or Bashuri Kurdistan - as North Kurdistan (not turkish Kurdistan etc). He gave me the example of your avatar to pay my attention that you accept what is writen there (iraqi Kurdistan) and that it means you are "traitor" - but it was only given by him as example for me - i dont think thearabchildren really mean that toward you.

[alan131210]

ok but i didnt put that there , maybe i should edit the photo and rename it "south Kurdistan" , would this make him happy ?

[thearabchildren]

No, what would make me happy is if people didn't try to constantly define me as an enemy of the group they're a member of. Turks call me a Turk hater, Kurds call me a Kurd hater, Armenians call me an Armenian hater, Jews call me a self-hating Jew, the list goes on and on. Of course I do not think you're a traitor for having an "Iraqi Kurdistan" iron, as for now Southern Kurdistan is legally part of the Iraqi state, although that won't last much longer. Kulka just refuses to accept that that sentence I just wrote doesn't mean I hate Kurds, think they have no rights, and should bow toward Ankara 5 times a day.

I'm typing pretty good for a drunk guy.